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Post by cjm on Feb 1, 2017 17:21:40 GMT
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Post by Trog on Feb 2, 2017 7:12:26 GMT
The problem with prosecuting anyone about this, I think, is that it will have to be proved that these people wouldn't have died anyway. I don't know about legally, but from a scientific point of view that is going to be virtually impossible.
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Post by cjm on Feb 2, 2017 7:52:46 GMT
The problem with prosecuting anyone about this, I think, is that it will have to be proved that these people wouldn't have died anyway. I don't know about legally, but from a scientific point of view that is going to be virtually impossible. Broadly speaking, I agree that it is not a straightforward exercise. Still, there was a noise made when they were moved (to unregistered facilities, it now transpires) and the government is closing down 27 NGOs. It should be relatively simple from the post mortems to determine the causes of death and to take it from there. It should be possible to compare that with their original health reports in the state institution. I suspect that it would also be possible to determine the general mortality rate for that group at the state institution which was closed. The families should also be able to provide input. It is also noteworthy that the initial number of deaths reported were a third of the final tally. I smell a big fat rat.
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Post by Trog on Feb 2, 2017 8:31:31 GMT
Yes, I think that things such as gross mismanagement and negligence will be easy to demonstrate. This after great concern about the exercise was raised directly to the decision makers by family members and health care experts. These concerns were even taken to court. And then there is the fact that Health MEC Qedani Mahlangu lied to the court, in order for it to decide in her favour.
These are grievous charges. But I think that is where it will end - I don't think anything more serious will stick.
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Post by cjm on Feb 2, 2017 11:23:21 GMT
Yes, I think that things such as gross mismanagement and negligence will be easy to demonstrate. This after great concern about the exercise was raised directly to the decision makers by family members and health care experts. These concerns were even taken to court. And then there is the fact that Health MEC Qedani Mahlangu lied to the court, in order for it to decide in her favour. These are grievous charges. But I think that is where it will end - I don't think anything more serious will stick. One only needs a single case where it can be shown that the facilities were inadequate to cater for the allotted patient. But yes, in the world we live in, I guess nothing further will come of it.
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Post by cjm on Feb 4, 2017 5:47:39 GMT
#LifeEsidimeni: NGOs 'chose patients like cattle at an auction'... According to the report the Gauteng health department encouraged small, ill-equipped organisations to expand patient numbers to get licences. These licences were later fraudulently doled out by Gauteng health employees in a move that would be covered up. The Gauteng head of health now stands accused of tampering with evidence. Four of the organisations and one government facility were responsible for almost 80% of patient deaths. All but one of the patient deaths were attributed to preventable conditions — suggesting poor care. Several bodies had bruises or abrasions that may indicate abuse. ... “NGOs rocked up to Life Esidimeni [with] open bakkies. Patients were transported ‘without wheelchairs but tied with bed sheets’ to support them. Some [NGOs] chose [patients] like an ‘auction cattle market’,” Makgoba writes. ... The ombudsman report shows that many patients were transferred without their files and identity documents. This meant organisations didn’t have details about some patients’ treatment or who to call in case of an emergency or death. ... The number of dead is likely to climb as more bodies are claimed from state mortuaries.
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Post by cjm on Feb 5, 2017 5:47:45 GMT
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Post by cjm on Feb 7, 2017 7:00:22 GMT
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Post by cjm on Feb 8, 2017 6:54:53 GMT
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Post by Trog on Feb 8, 2017 7:12:36 GMT
Advocate Bokankatla Malatji:
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Post by cjm on Feb 8, 2017 7:18:34 GMT
Advocate Bokankatla Malatji: I suggest Advocate Malatji should start studying S v Pistorius on the issue of Dolus Eventualis.
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Post by cjm on Feb 9, 2017 5:17:18 GMT
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Post by cjm on Feb 16, 2017 7:47:55 GMT
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Post by cjm on Feb 23, 2017 12:17:34 GMT
#LifeEsidimeni: Patients still missing after deadly move from state careThe Gauteng health department is hoping to avoid legal battles with families of the almost 1 400 mental health patients removed from state care and placed into the hands of community-based organisations unable to care for them. The revelation comes as families continue to claim bodies from state mortuaries up to seven months after their loved ones died. Recently appointed Gauteng health MEC Gwen Ramokgopa admits that the department is still trying to ascertain whether all patients removed from state-funded care at private Life Esidimeni health facilities have been accounted for. ...
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Post by cjm on Feb 27, 2017 11:16:03 GMT
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