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Post by cjm on Sept 19, 2018 6:53:16 GMT
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Post by cjm on Sept 19, 2018 13:01:21 GMT
I don't think hemp and dagga are the same thing. Are they?
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Post by cjm on Sept 23, 2018 9:05:53 GMT
It is hard to escape the conclusion that the ConCourt judgement is a populist one, intended to boost the ANC's popularity.
Our crime situation is out of control: it really, really was not necessary to make it even more complicated and to take up police time and resources with responses and schemes. It will be hard to police the widening eddies (including in schools) this judgement will not doubt cause. Driving under the influence? Can this be detected? Blood/urine tests apparently. How much dagga is legal when driving or working? The anti-tobacco lobby now has real work to do.
Many of the countries where the use is legalised, have much lower crime rates: They can afford these experiments. One should also not lose sight of the interests big business has in mining the *new* clover.
[blue is legal]
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Post by cjm on Sept 25, 2018 9:35:21 GMT
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Post by Trog on Sept 25, 2018 10:36:54 GMT
(Dagga is Hemp, but Hemp is not Dagga, i.e. Dagga is a type of Hemp - none of which is indigenous to South Africa. Seems like Dagga was not present in South Africa before about 200 years ago).
I think the current situation is the worst of all possible outcomes.
As far as I understand, it is now legal to be in possession of and use Dagga, but not to sell it.
Therefore, the volume of legal Dagga in South Africa is now suddenly limitless, but there is no legal way to maintain it. The effect must necessarily be a massive increase in criminal activity to supply legal Dagga possession. This is basically what created the Mafia in the US.
This is exactly the opposite of what one would want - the only reasonable argument for the decriminalisation of Dagga is surely that it brings the production and distribution of Dagga into a legal environment, thereby bypassing and depriving the criminal infrastructure of an important source of income. It also introduces a barrier between otherwise normally law-abiding individuals and hardened criminals, which is good. None of these things are facilitated by the current situation.
Basically, there is not a middle way: Either outlaw Dagga entirely, or legalise it entirely. Everything else is a recipe for disaster.
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Post by cjm on Sept 26, 2018 9:47:29 GMT
(Dagga is Hemp, but Hemp is not Dagga, i.e. Dagga is a type of Hemp - none of which is indigenous to South Africa. Seems like Dagga was not present in South Africa before about 200 years ago). I think the current situation is the worst of all possible outcomes. As far as I understand, it is now legal to be in possession of and use Dagga, but not to sell it. Therefore, the volume of legal Dagga in South Africa is now suddenly limitless, but there is no legal way to maintain it. The effect must necessarily be a massive increase in criminal activity to supply legal Dagga possession. This is basically what created the Mafia in the US. This is exactly the opposite of what one would want - the only reasonable argument for the decriminalisation of Dagga is surely that it brings the production and distribution of Dagga into a legal environment, thereby bypassing and depriving the criminal infrastructure of an important source of income. It also introduces a barrier between otherwise normally law-abiding individuals and hardened criminals, which is good. None of these things are facilitated by the current situation. Basically, there is not a middle way: Either outlaw Dagga entirely, or legalise it entirely. Everything else is a recipe for disaster.
Very persuasive and well-put viewpoint. Personally, I am not in favour of the legalise and regulate argument, but if it can reduce dagga consuption, I will live with it.
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Post by cjm on Oct 2, 2018 5:04:10 GMT
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Post by cjm on Oct 4, 2018 5:35:39 GMT
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Post by cjm on Oct 4, 2018 12:29:14 GMT
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Post by cjm on Oct 6, 2018 11:39:31 GMT
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Post by cjm on Oct 8, 2018 6:25:32 GMT
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Post by cjm on Oct 19, 2018 10:56:57 GMT
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Post by cjm on Oct 23, 2018 7:07:41 GMT
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Post by cjm on Oct 23, 2018 8:59:06 GMT
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Post by cjm on Oct 24, 2018 5:13:01 GMT
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