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Post by cjm on Mar 21, 2024 17:57:01 GMT
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Post by cjm on Mar 21, 2024 18:02:11 GMT
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Post by cjm on Mar 21, 2024 18:13:36 GMT
I must say, that fine is astronomical. I wonder who the auditors were.
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Post by cjm on Mar 22, 2024 9:31:18 GMT
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Post by cjm on Mar 22, 2024 18:19:28 GMT
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Post by cjm on Mar 22, 2024 18:40:11 GMT
I guess I would be accused of misplaced sympathy, but I question whether a regulatory body should be allowed to impose a fine of that magnitude. At the least there should be an enquiry as to ability to pay the fine and the personal circumstances of the accused. I also wonder whether a formal charge sheet was drawn up and to what extent the accused had the rights afforded in a criminal case. Is proof beyond reasonable doubt, is there an appeal process and are the "judges" qualified to evaluate cases like this. Are the proceedings accessible to the public and is the evidence recorded? Similarly, is there a formal judgement replete with reasons for the decision? Despite the man's alleged crimes (none of which were ever proved in a court of law), he was still a human being with at least a wife (or former wife perhaps), a "mistress" (shorn of her income) and three children. As far as I can gather, the authorities are still grappling with the complexities of the case and it may well be asked to what extent they actually have a grip on the case. I have also raised the question earlier why he was seemingly singled out, where the other people involved are and whether they were simply used to gang up on him? At the very least (one of my earlier comments) where were the auditors and armies of accountants to draw the statements and check the information. To say that he was the masterbrain, under the circumstances, seems a gross simplification given the scope of the enterprise and a resort to exaggerated metaphor. Edited to add: Some of the points I raise here is made in the US context as well by Turley in relation to the massive fine Trump has to pay
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Post by cjm on Mar 23, 2024 18:13:51 GMT
The FSCA hopes to still recover Markus Jooste’s fine
I am sure they would like to recover - money for nothing. They killed the guy without having a clear view of the situation as they are still investigating. Why target him if there are others involved? Why not determine all the facts and identify all the culprits before sentencing him to death. After all that he has done, is that really worse than the crime of a murderer? Why must he pay the ultimate price? I am sure they will say that they did not know and that he has to bear the consequence of whatever he has done. Sure, but with due regard to his personal well-being and the culpability of others. It is really not sufficient to say that they are still investigating etc. As I pointed out before, the determination of the fine etc smacks of a bundu court and to this day he has not been found guilty by a proper court of law of ANYTHING. It seems to me likely that they were aware of the fact that they are on thin ice and that is why they could not set the legal system with all the high powered lawyers on him soon enough. To try and cover their own backsides.
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Post by Trog on Mar 24, 2024 11:04:41 GMT
Whatever he may have done, I'm glad that he deprived this particular 'system' of the satisfaction to see him in court or in jail.
I have the same sentiment to, for example, Göring: Whatever monstrous criminal he may have been, I'm delighted that he showed a big fúckyou to the sanctimonious sods who presumed to sit in judgement on him. I mostly think: "Well. good on you."
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Post by cjm on Mar 24, 2024 18:50:53 GMT
Whatever he may have done, I'm glad that he deprived this particular 'system' of the satisfaction to see him in court or in jail. I have the same sentiment to, for example, Göring: Whatever monstrous criminal he may have been, I'm delighted that he showed a big fúckyou to the sanctimonious sods who presumed to sit in judgement on him. I mostly think: "Well. good on you."
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Post by cjm on Apr 2, 2024 8:56:14 GMT
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Post by cjm on Apr 2, 2024 8:59:38 GMT
Another point about Jooste: It is so that he caused a lot of people financial harm: However, at the same time it must be remembered that he enriched a lot of people. Not only the investors, but also the employees, SARS, suppliers and numerous others.
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