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Post by cjm on May 30, 2022 8:55:36 GMT
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Post by Trog on May 30, 2022 13:13:38 GMT
The world is a wondrous place indeed. Why would the sea-level rise there by 5 inches in 10 years due to climate change, and nowhere else?
(People actually believe this crap. Because nobody challenges it. When they say that the sea-level in the cave raised 5 inches since 2011 it is probably true. But not because of climate change - obviously the land is sinking.)
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Post by cjm on May 30, 2022 15:31:00 GMT
The world is a wondrous place indeed. Why would the sea-level rise there by 5 inches in 10 years due to climate change, and nowhere else? (People actually believe this crap. Because nobody challenges it. When they say that the sea-level in the cave raised 5 inches since 2011 it is probably true. But not because of climate change - obviously the land is sinking.) I did not pick this up but what I wondered about was the write-up for the age of the artwork - which is rather recent in a SA context. |
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Post by Trog on May 31, 2022 5:15:02 GMT
I did not pick this up but what I wondered about was the write-up for the age of the artwork - which is rather recent in a SA context. Inhabited for 33,000 years? That's about the time modern humans arrived in Southern Europe. They are less explicit w.r.t. the estimated age of the paintings - elsewhere is see they identify 2 periods, a more primitive one 27,000 years ago, and a more sophisticated one 19,000 years ago. That sort of overlaps with the oldest rock art in Southern Africa. I see that they date the Lascaux-paintings to about 17,000 years. Cave Paintings of the Cosquer CaveAFRICAN ROCK ART AND PAINTINGThere are older examples of what is possibly art in South Africa (up to maybe 100,000 years ago), but those are not cave/rock paintings. It becomes difficult to decide when something actually becomes art. In Southern Africa, it has also become a habit to routinely associate primitive art with the San. That, I believe, is not necessarily true - I believe that the oldest 'art' in South Africa had nothing at all to do with the San. |
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Post by cjm on May 31, 2022 9:15:29 GMT
I did not pick this up but what I wondered about was the write-up for the age of the artwork - which is rather recent in a SA context. Inhabited for 33,000 years? That's about the time modern humans arrived in Southern Europe. They are less explicit w.r.t. the estimated age of the paintings - elsewhere is see they identify 2 periods, a more primitive one 27,000 years ago, and a more sophisticated one 19,000 years ago. That sort of overlaps with the oldest rock art in Southern Africa. I see that they date the Lascaux-paintings to about 17,000 years. Cave Paintings of the Cosquer CaveAFRICAN ROCK ART AND PAINTINGThere are older examples of what is possibly art in South Africa (up to maybe 100,000 years ago), but those are not cave/rock paintings. It becomes difficult to decide when something actually becomes art. In Southern Africa, it has also become a habit to routinely associate primitive art with the San. That, I believe, is not necessarily true - I believe that the oldest 'art' in South Africa had nothing at all to do with the San. I have my doubts about anything considered "art" - even the modern stuff. Anyway, I had Klasies River in mind as a reference point where human occupation of as long ago as 120 000 years ago is suspected. It seems to me likely that so-called art would have been produced rather sooner than later. There appears to be more definite examples at Howiesons Poort. As you suggest, perhaps not rock art in the sense of the later examples. |
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